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jjprusk

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Are there plans to support BES (and hence Blackberry phones)? I realize there's Astrsync and the Notify products, but what is really needed is direct BES / Kerio integration. Obviously Exchange has this and I believe Zimbra as well so it is clearly doable. For example, I would like to purchase a Blackberry, setup BES to my Kerio server, and start receiving emails. The problem AstraSync and NotifySync is that [from my understanding] they have a separate inbox and are not integrated into the Blackberry email inbox.

I obviously don't know what this takes, but it doesn't sound too bad, especially since basic Exchange simulation is already complete and others have done this as well.
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I dont think Zimbra does, but non less BES software is like Microsoft there is nothing that can be done about it. The reason for the separate inbox, etc is because it uses another sync program. During my testing I found some users like it but most do not. I am in the same boat as you. I think you can use a BES server with Kerio, not sure. Its just the fact of having a windows server to host the BES software.
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I'm sorry but I'm not going to comment it at this moment. But I believe we can say more on this topic in very near future.
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Kerio_pdobry wrote on Fri, 31 July 2009 18:17

I'm sorry but I'm not going to comment it at this moment. But I believe we can say more on this topic in very near future.



Tease.

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rinzwind

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Exchange isn't capable of supporting Blackberries out of the box. Blackberry doesn't support ActiveSync directly to protect their own solutions. So just use other smart phones. Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android, iPhone... Wink

[Updated on: Sun, 02 August 2009 19:53]

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rinzwind wrote on Sun, 02 August 2009 19:52

Exchange isn't capable of supporting Blackberries out of the box. Blackberry doesn't support ActiveSync directly to protect their own solutions. So just use other smart phones. Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android, iPhone... Wink


Yes, I know they force their users to go through BES rather than connect to the mail server directly. We currently use iPhones, but they are quite limited for business use (cannot select folders to sync, no home screen, no msg light, no task integration, etc.) So I would consider Blackberry if I could do something simple which would be to sign-up for their service and then connect the BES server directly to Kerio (I want to use their standard inbox, etc. so Astrasync... doesn't work for me).

In terms of other phones, Android is not available on AT&T (which is the service that we use) but when it phones become available I will take a look. WinMobile is garbage (I've had several of these) and will not use another one) so they are not on my list (are they still making phones that use M$...?).
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rinzwind

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Completely agree with you on Windows Mobile. It isn't suitable for controlling a smart phone. MS thought one time "Let's scale Windows 95 down to a small, small screen and call it Windows Mobile"... The iPhone does what I need. A LED indicator would be nice indeed. And 3rd party access to the calendar... That is apparently blocked by Apple.
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Also AstraSync and NotifySync are not syncing the calendar always correctly i.e. when you create an appointment on the BB it does not sync correctly. Yearly or daily events are also causing problems. You have to do special tricks to get it working at all.
This is especially with a BB Storm. Also no HTML emails are supported.

I hope Kerio can get something working with a product like BES express/professional v5.

[Updated on: Wed, 05 August 2009 04:37]

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You need BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) from RIM. But BES currently only supports Exchange, Lotus Notes and Groupwise. I don't think it supports Zimbra.

I get my KMS mails to my Blackberry through IMAP and BIS (Blackberry Internet Service). But that's no calender, contacts and task sync.

As BES for Exchange is using the Microsoft MAPI interface Kerio could simulate the Microsoft MAPI interface and then BES would work with KMS. But I don't know how hard this is to do.

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My IT Indy

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jjprusk wrote on Sun, 02 August 2009 14:35

rinzwind wrote on Sun, 02 August 2009 19:52

Exchange isn't capable of supporting Blackberries out of the box. Blackberry doesn't support ActiveSync directly to protect their own solutions. So just use other smart phones. Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android, iPhone... Wink


Yes, I know they force their users to go through BES rather than connect to the mail server directly. We currently use iPhones, but they are quite limited for business use (cannot select folders to sync, no home screen, no msg light, no task integration, etc.)


You can select what folders to sync with v3.0 on the iPhones.
Jailbreak it, there are a ton of today screen apps.
use eTask if you want task integration.

Sure it's not perfect and a complete pain in the butt, but you can get some of what you want.

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bronco

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Kerio_pdobry wrote on Sat, 01 August 2009 00:17
I'm sorry but I'm not going to comment it at this moment. But I believe we can say more on this topic in very near future.


Hi Pavel! Any more news about this tease Smile!
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jshaw541

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I'm not pushing Pavel for further comment, but plus 1 to the list for enhanced BB support. BB seems to be making somewhat of a comeback. Astrasync has issues, so I must sync via Missing Sync for now.

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jshaw541 wrote on Tue, 25 August 2009 12:25
I'm not pushing Pavel for further comment, but plus 1 to the list for enhanced BB support. BB seems to be making somewhat of a comeback. Astrasync has issues, so I must sync via Missing Sync for now.



Read up on the new blackberry server, seems a little more robust then before. Shocked Maybe RIM is being a bit more open?
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rkovelman wrote on Tue, 25 August 2009 12:01
jshaw541 wrote on Tue, 25 August 2009 12:25
I'm not pushing Pavel for further comment, but plus 1 to the list for enhanced BB support. BB seems to be making somewhat of a comeback. Astrasync has issues, so I must sync via Missing Sync for now.



Read up on the new blackberry server, seems a little more robust then before. Shocked Maybe RIM is being a bit more open?


Would, but we can't afford it. Their recent purchase of Torch Mobile seems to indicate an effort to be more open.

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scottwilkins

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Here's my take on this.

Dump Blackberry phones. They are popular due to their cheap line of phones. In many cases you can get one for free. BB took their cash cow, made consumer level phones and sold them for pennies compared to other smart phones. They are nothing but a simple Java engine. Java is a great language to program, but it's slow and cumbersome. The phones work OK in many of their core tasks. Outside of those tasks they really stink.

Kerio has been promising BB support and they will get it eventually. But, I doubt it will ever be as good as support for other phones. The move on supporting 3rd party sync programs is a move in the right direction. I don't believe we will ever see a proper direct phone to server sync for BB phones. This is a bad thing, because even in a pure BB - BES - Exchange environment the requirement of the middlware (BES) causes more chance for failure. Middleware will always be a pain to support, and a source of additional failure points.

I finally was able to move all my sales staff to either iPhones or Windows Mobile devices. Many styles of WM devices are the closest to Blackberry, and surpass them in speed and flexibility. iPhones since version 3.0 software just rock period. Those that know me are probably fainting right now since I was a strong iPhone hater before. But the iPhone has come around big time in version 3.0 to be a very strong business class phone with features you just will not find on any other phone. My sales staff pass a LOT of documents around via e-mail. On an iPhone you can actually use and read those documents where other phones barely do this if at all. Plus Apple's ability to make technology more human palatable is undeniable.

So, I'd suggest the iPhone first, especially since they can be purchased for as low as $99 now, and the $30/month data charge is often less that most carriers BB business data charge of $40 or $50. I know some BB carriers are cheaper though, but it's not worth the frustration. Then I'd suggest a Windows Mobile device for those who need tethering also, or can't type on anything but a hardware keyboard. I'd suggest an Android phone third, but I don't have any experience with these phones yet. And, I don't know how well Android works with Kerio. Those are phones to watch right now, new models are coming out and if Google continues to update the OS they should be good considerations.

I'd never suggest a Blackberry. Blackberry phones are very outdated, very slow and very problematic compared to alternatives. In the past they worked well, only because the technology for other phones was not up to the task yet. But today they are outshined other phones by an amount too large to even consider them for business use.

[Updated on: Thu, 27 August 2009 15:32]

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