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b-tom

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Any experience with Kerio Connect 7.1.1 on Mac servers?
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grahamgilbert

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We upgraded our 10.6.4 mail server to 7.1.1 on Sunday morning. Everything seems to be ok so far...
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b-tom

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Sounds good. Which KM version did you upgrade?
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grahamgilbert

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7.1 patch 1 (?? The last one anyway).
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kthomas

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We upgraded from 7.1.0 to 7.1.1, this is an Intel Xserve running OS X Server 10.4.11.
The upgrade went smoothly.

We're still seeing duplication in user Calendars that was introduced with 7.1.0, however.
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marook

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An INTEL xServe running 10.4?????????
You know - they almost THROW 10.6 Server after you if you go to an Apple Store.. (or buy it online...)

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marook wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 01:27
An INTEL xServe running 10.4?????????
You know - they almost THROW 10.6 Server after you if you go to an Apple Store.. (or buy it online...)


Hah! Good one. I know how it is though... sometimes you don't want to mess with success if its running especially if you have a large number of users and downtime is a problem.

I want to go ahead with the 7.11 (from 7.02) but this calendar dupe thing is worrying me. Any idea how pervasive this is or if its been verified by Kerio as definitely being caused by 7.1?

[Updated on: Fri, 24 September 2010 13:53]

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kthomas

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Exactly, 10.4 runs great for us combined with SoftRAID for mirroring 15k SAS drives.
That said, no one has ever "thrown" a $500 OS upgrade at us, either! Razz

There's more info on the duplication issue here: http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=17946

In a nutshell, Kerio has filed this as a high priority bug. Support informed me that downgrading to 7.0.2 does not stop the duplication problem after it has started. We never saw this behavior until 7.1.

The duplication has been a huge pain for us; personally I'd wait for a patch.
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marook

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kthomas wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 17:15
Exactly, 10.4 runs great for us combined with SoftRAID for mirroring 15k SAS drives.
That said, no one has ever "thrown" a $500 OS upgrade at us, either! Razz


Compared to a Windows Server licens + CAL licenses +.... it's actually close.
10.4.0 was released in april 2005 - it's a 5+ year old OS...
10.6 is so much more stable, has much better OD, will utilize your XServe much better, runs 64bit... the list goes on.

It's a snap to make the installation on another Mac (even a mini) and clone it over.

Your millage may vary, but the benefits you get from the $499 is huge!

But it's your system.. Wink

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kthomas

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marook wrote on Sat, 25 September 2010 07:28

Compared to a Windows Server licens + CAL licenses +.... it's actually close.

Preaching to the choir here, marook! Unfortunately, budgets are tight these days.

We do run 10.6.4 on other servers for OD, SUS, and NetBoot/NetInstall services where it's easily justified. Our Kerio server only runs Kerio though, no Apple services.
We've even considered running 10.6 client, but don't want to lose Xserve functionality like LOM, Server Monitor, etc.

Curious about the advantages of 10.6 for Kerio, though- it's my understanding that Kerio doesn't benefit from a 64-bit OS. Kerio's performance seems mostly IO bound- have you seen improvements in 10.6? From our admittedly limited testing on identical hardware, IO hasn't changed from 10.4 to 10.6. (10.5 was actually a bit slower.)
I'd love some empirical data to support an upgrade!

Apologies to the forum if this is getting too far off topic, happy to take this discussion elsewhere.
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Marook you stated, "Compared to a Windows Server licens + CAL licenses +.... it's actually close."

When I check the cost of a Windows Server license alone is $695 and each Cal costs $28.

What am I missing in the cost comparison?
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marook

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jamesf wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 19:10
Marook you stated, "Compared to a Windows Server licens + CAL licenses +.... it's actually close."

When I check the cost of a Windows Server license alone is $695 and each Cal costs $28.

What am I missing in the cost comparison?


From the fact that OS X Server is Unlimited for $499,-??
And that's 32 PLUS 64 bit versions in the same runtime, simultaneously..

I'm sure you can run Kerio on a base Windows Server, but as soon as you need anything else, it Quickly runs up!
Terminal Server needs TS licenses + CAL licenses.. (!)

[Updated on: Mon, 27 September 2010 19:28]


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kthomas wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 17:15
Exactly, 10.4 runs great for us combined with SoftRAID for mirroring 15k SAS drives.


Well, Apple is no longer supporting development of applications for Mac OS X Tiger Server. So it is very likely that we will be forced to drop support for this system soon. And same thing will probably happen with Leopard in the future.

OpenDirectory on Snow Leopard is far better and even supports correct replication of the LDAP server. So, it is definitely worth the upgrade.
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jamesf

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Marook, it appears I was not clear in my question about the cost comparison of Kerio on a Windows server versus the upgrade cost for it on an Mac Server.

I inferred from your statement that you were saying the cost of the two were close but that when I checked the cost of the Windows license alone was more than the Snow Leopard Server upgrade cost.

Did I misunderstand your statement?
marook

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Actually, the $499 is not the upgrade - it the complete retail price - there is no upgrade price!
You might even get it cheaper if you have EDU access.. oh well.. Wink

Regarding the Mac vs. Win price, I don't know.. Have to admit I did not even check the prices before posting - it was a quick attemt at stating the retail price is not that expensive.. and it's very simple - there is only on price.

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