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Hi all
I'm currently doing a email discovery for a client with 75 users, i tested kerio and i liked it very much but i'm not sure from a cost perspective if it pays to go with kerio over google apps for business, unless someone can point out what kerio offers more then google apps.

Kerio Cost:
Server: $3500.00
Kerio 1st Year: $2556.00
Support 2nd & 3rd Years: $1542.00
Total: $7598

Google Apps <_at_> $50.00 Per User Per Year
Total: $11250.00

Yes it's 33% more but there's also nothing to administer.

I'm throwing it out there, i'm very much interested what you guys think.

Thanks in advance

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Cost is only one side of the coin. It is a bit a matter of philosophy if you want to have your data inhouse or somewhere in the cloud. Both solutions have their advantages and disadvantages.

I would check with the client how he feels about having data not inhouse anymore. Maybe depends on what kind of data he has.

Banks, Lawyers and other businesses with confidential data tend to keep it inhouse. But I know of a newspaper company that outsourced their Exchange to Gmail and they are happy.

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Google has outages, some pretty fantastic ones too. Last one actually erased people's entire email accounts.

We've setup clients with both, but try to get them to understand the differences between the two.

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Well, it's all about what's important to you. If having no local IT footprint to support e-mail is important, then Google Apps mail is appropriate. Having your e-mail in house does have distinct advantages:

  • Add/change user quickly
  • Once setup, Kerio requires very little maintenance
  • Custom mailing lists
  • Access even if your internet access is down
  • Ability to provide e-mail for employees without giving them internet access

As always, your mileage may vary.

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On Google (at least the free version) you 2.+ calendars show up as Delegate Calendars and not your own.
A dealbreaker for most..
On MobileMe, delegated calendars from others, show in between your own, mixin it all up the other way.. strange how different CalDAV implementations can be... :-/


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HoosierMac wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 21:53
Google has outages, some pretty fantastic ones too. Last one actually erased people's entire email accounts.

Indeed, but to their credit they also backup the accounts to tape and were able to retrieve from the data from tape which is pretty good for a free email service.

Also I don't think I've read anywhere that Premimum Google Apps (paid for) accounts were impacted, I think Gmail/Google Apps standard free editions are the testing ground for new software changes.

That said one wonders how many emails they did actually lose in the time that accounts were backed up to tape/delivered to inboxes, I would think there'd be potential to lose a few.

I've also weighed it up before in looking to move to Google Apps, and definitely on paper the Kerio solution even with server replacements every 3-5 years works out cheaper, however that's not factoring in any administration time (which is fairly small).

The other thing to consider is speed... unless you've got a fat 100Mbps fibre pipe to the Internet and live close by a Google Datacentre that your account happens to be on, a local server is always going to be quicker at sending/receiving large attachments since you're restricted by whatever LAN speed you have (100/1000Mbps) to your server.

In our case being in Australia we've also got the additional latency (150ms or so) to contend with for accessing Google Mail services as their's no local Australian/Asia Pacific datacentres providing those services locally (I believe theirs some Google content caches in Australia but I don't know that they help Gmail)

That said, I still use Google Apps Premier for my own personal domain and email account, at US$50/year it's well worth it versus the time & money spent on keeping my own server running at home, and I really like the Gmail interface and labels.
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