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Under 8.22 we're seeing that we cannot "Add invitees" for shared calendars in Apple Calendar/iCal (most of the time) although occasionally it is possible with some calenders--which is very odd.

To clarify: a user that has "change" permission wants to invite someone to the event. There is no option to do so in the dialog. Do they need to be designated as a Delegate under the new system now?

This seems like it is a malfunction since in the Kerio Connect Client it is possible to add the invitee without trouble.

What is the intended behavior in Apple Calendar/iCal when using the sharing?

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We did more testing on this today and are seeing this on multiple servers, multiple accounts under Mavericks and current 10.8 build. Cannot add invitees to shared calendars of another user. We have verified that the same accounts, same servers work under Mac OS 10.68 ical client.

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max case

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we confirm the same issue on os x 10.6 - 10.9 and iCal/webmail.

please fix it soon. seems like every update brings a new 'feature' Sad
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miless

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Agreed - this is a major problem. Our company creates and modifies events in shared calendars many times a day, and without invitee support this is not an option.

Delegating shared calendars to users instead isn't really an option, as that grants full write permission to everyone. In the previous version of Kerio, we could set read permissions for some users and write permissions for others, and users would then have the intended permissions under "delegated" calendars.

In the meantime, I'll likely have to revert to 8.2.1.
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I have confirmed this is by design.

The work around for now would be to log in to webmail (Connect Client) and add the invitee there, where the function is supported.

Someone started a feature request here:

http://feedback.kerio.com/forums/29250-kerio-connect/suggest ions/5333250-allow-invitations-to-events-in-shared-calendars

It's also referenced in this thread

http://forums.kerio.com/t/26209//

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Pavel Dobry (Kerio)

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Meeting invitation can have only one creator (owner). When creating an invitation in shared calendar it could be either calendar owner or the user who created the event. In both cases the calendar for one of them will be wrong because the responses from attendes can go to only one user. This is why most of clients do not allow creating invitations in shared calendars. Only normal events are allowed.

[Updated on: Fri, 10 January 2014 00:18]

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Pavel Dobry (Kerio)

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Can you give us a real-world scenario for using meeting invites in shared calendar? For example resource scheduling can be a solution in many cases.
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for example, we have a shared calendar, everyone from the domain xxx has read/write rights to this shared calendar. It's a user account only for that.

so i knew that the response goes only to the shared calendar, but i don't care, because it's a shared calendar and everyone has the right to write on it ; )

so why did this function doesn't work anymore after the update?

the solution can't be to generate an amount of recourses (we use this only for beamer and conference rooms)?!
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Hi Pavel,

We have a customer that uses this extensively. If I understand correctly, what they were doing prior to 8.2 and what they would like to do is create events and have others in the organization invite customers and employees. The event owner (usually the business owner) does not want others to have access to his email as would happen with delegation. They spend a great deal of time creating events and inviting customers. Their email is private and they don't delegate it. This is a PR firm.

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miless

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At my company, there are two circumstances in which this behavior would be useful:

1. We have a user who schedules a lot of meetings for other departments. She doesn't attend these meetings, she just sets them up - so she doesn't want to be listed as attending them. Using a shared calendar in an account specifically created for this purpose as the "home" for these meetings allows her to do this. T

2. We have users who would like to see meetings that they're not invited to. Creating the events on a shared calendar that they have read-only access to allows them to monitor what other departments are doing without having to receive an invitation themselves. Since delegation is all-or-nothing in its new form, if we delegated the calendar administrator's account to these "watchers", they'd have the ability to modify all sorts of things instead of just being able to see what meetings exist.
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Pavel Dobry (Kerio) wrote on Thu, 09 January 2014 18:17
Meeting invitation can have only one creator (owner). When creating an invitation in shared calendar it could be either calendar owner or the user who created the event. In both cases the calendar for one of them will be wrong because the responses from attendes can go to only one user. This is why most of clients do not allow creating invitations in shared calendars. Only normal events are allowed.


Regarding the response, that does make sense. I didn't realize that.

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miless wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 02:13
1. We have a user who schedules a lot of meetings for other departments. She doesn't attend these meetings, she just sets them up - so she doesn't want to be listed as attending them. Using a shared calendar in an account specifically created for this purpose as the "home" for these meetings allows her to do this. T

Would making her a delegate of this account solve this?
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Pavel Dobry (Kerio)

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miless wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 02:13

2. We have users who would like to see meetings that they're not invited to. Creating the events on a shared calendar that they have read-only access to allows them to monitor what other departments are doing without having to receive an invitation themselves. Since delegation is all-or-nothing in its new form, if we delegated the calendar administrator's account to these "watchers", they'd have the ability to modify all sorts of things instead of just being able to see what meetings exist.


Sharing has not been changed for read-only viewers. You can use it. Delegation is not a replacement for folder sharing. It is a next level, allowing to put meeting invitations. And, which is more important, it allows to secure the server so local users cannot spoof sender email or impersonate other users (eg. by sending fake emails as a boss etc.).
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Sharing for read-only users and delegation for read/write users could work. The main issue we have with that is that we can't have a calendar-dedicated account where different users have read/write permissions for different calendars, for instance:

Calendar A: User 1 has read/write (delegation), User 2 has read-only (sharing)
Calendar B: User 1 has read-only (sharing), User 2 has read/write (delegation)

We've tried to keep most of our shared calendars in the same account so as to use as few licenses as possible. If we were to split off each shared calendar so its specific administrator could be the only one with read/write (delegation) access, that could use up quite a few licenses quickly.

I understand not many people use shared calendars in the way I'm describing, but for our company, being able to set more granular delegation for individual calendars within an account would be helpful.
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